Tim Oakes

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Friday, January 27, 2006

Needles...

Just the other night I watched a fascinating programme about acupuncture. This doctor/scientist lady was trying to investigate and find proof of the effectiveness of the treatment which claims to heal all kinds of aliments. Various people were featured including a girl who had open heart surgery whilst conscious using only acupuncture to dull the pain. Not only did she not feel a thing but she was out of hospital significantly sooner than if she had undergone the operation ‘western style’. They also highlighted a few research studies aimed at substantiating the vast claims made by acupuncturists primarily trying to establish if it was simply a placebo or whether acupuncture had any physiological effects.

They closed the show conducting their own experiment in an MRI scanner measuring brain activity whilst various forms of acupunctural techniques were adopted. Interestingly the showed that acupuncture can actually lead to deactivation of certain brain areas. In doing so they found something they didn’t expect and have moved a step closer to understanding how this ancient art works.

I think I’d be well up for trying acupuncture but I’m not sure of its origins and basis in religion. I’ve also never met any who’s had it done and was wondering if you’ve heard any positive or negative stories relating to the treatment.


22 Comments:

  • At 12:59 pm, January 27, 2006, Blogger Liz said…

    Janet's had it done. So did my neighbour's dog. Alun has too and he said it worked.

     
  • At 12:15 am, January 28, 2006, Blogger jodes da princess said…

    I did a presentation on it at uni. It's quite tightly regulated, and though its linked to loads of new age wierd stuff, some GPs are starting to use it.

    I think the human mind is capable of so much more than we realise, aparently we only use 10% of its potential power. I reckon some people have the power to heal themselves just by using their minds. do I sound like a hippy now?

     
  • At 7:40 am, January 28, 2006, Blogger Tim Oakes said…

    I don't have the need for it right now but it's something I'd like to try! I'm just concerned that I'd lie on a table, have someone put needles in me and then what would I do if they started chanting over me and reading spells etc! I'm too polite to walk away plus I'd not know what to do with all the needles! A friend of mine from my church back home was supposed to be training in it so I might try and get a freebie next time I visit.

    Liz I'm really perplexed - how the jimmy's widdles do you get a dog to lie on a bed and have needles stuck in it?! I can understand Harvey because he'd be too lazy to move but any normal dog would surely go crazy?

    I totally agree Jodie, we are capable of so much more. I think medicine is more of a mental battle than we realise. It's interesting that when Jesus healed people he usually said "your faith has made you whole" or words to that effect. Maybe the miracle of Jesus' healings was that he gave people the faith to heal themselves?!

    And yes you sound like a hippy.

     
  • At 2:38 pm, January 28, 2006, Blogger Tim Lovell said…

    Don't know much about acupuncture, but it is rooted in eastern mysticism. So I think I'd be cautious about doing it until I really knew what went on. But I'm not sure for now.

    I don't think that when Jesus healed people he gave them the power to heal themselves. If you believe the healing stories in the NT, thee are plenty of ones that don't fit your model, ie Paralytic through the roof- Jesus says your friends faith made you well, most demonised people don't ask to be healed, and Jesus also heals several people from a distance.

    To say that all Jesus did was enable them to heal themselves seriously dminishes Jesus', or God's role in healings. In fact it removes it altogether. Anybody, whether they did it in the name of Jesus or Aled Jones could heal people.

     
  • At 6:10 pm, January 28, 2006, Blogger Tim Oakes said…

    Yeah I'm actually with you on this one Lovell hence the word 'maybe' at the start of my point. I was attempting to make the weak link from acupuncture to our lord and savoiur, Jesus and lead the discussion to healing in general rather than just with pins and needles. I wonder what would happen if you tried to heal someone in the name of Aled Jones!? Maybe they'd turn into a snowman or just melt!

     
  • At 7:04 pm, January 28, 2006, Blogger Liz said…

    I suspect that the person doing the acupuncture on my friend's dog was a charlatan as he assured her that the needles didn't actually break the skin.

    I go for shiatsu but with Kate John, whom I trust totally. I think you have to know a bit about who's doing it and what their beliefs are. I'm sure there are doubtful characters in all the alternative therapies, but acupuncture is an ancient form of healing. I'm inclined to the view that the same God who inspired Madame Curie (or was it her husband?) to play with x-rays also inspired an ancient Chinaman to stick needles in people.

     
  • At 3:29 pm, January 29, 2006, Blogger jodes da princess said…

    I think that if people choose to do it from an eastern mystycism perspective, and chant over you while they poke you, then its up to you how much authority you give their chants. surely its up to you what enters your mind and what doesnt?

    I always had a fear of yoga, thinking that the meditation was a bit dodgy, but why does something as amazing as meditation have to be the preserve of buddhists? there is a lot of value in a lot of things that other religions practice. Maybe we need to be less scared of them, and explore a bit!

     
  • At 6:48 pm, January 29, 2006, Blogger Jon said…

    I'm with Jodie (I think), I have happily had massages and reflexogolgy, and wouldn't be too bothered about accupunture, yoga, chinese medicine or reiki for that matter (yes, even reiki!).

    Just because a medicine or relaxation technique was developed by a member of another religion shouldn't result in it being avoided.

     
  • At 9:33 pm, January 29, 2006, Blogger Kate said…

    Okay, not really sure about how this fits into Jesus healing etc etc. But working as a physio I've heard that it can have really good effects, but not always. We're using it at the moment with a lady who's had a stroke, and since starting it she has definately had improved sensation.

     
  • At 8:40 am, January 30, 2006, Blogger Liz said…

    I think the problem with meditation is that some practitioners want you to empty your mind (thereby leaving it vacant for the enemy to slip in hoo ho ho ho hoooo - that was meant to ne spooky-snounding, by the way) or to repeat a mantra, thus creating the same sort of vacant mind effect. In church we've somtimes been encouraged to meditate on something in the Bible. In my case it usually goes like this.

    Jesus said feed my lambs ... mm, lamb in red wine we could have that for dinner... that means I'll have to go to Sains ... oh, bother, I'm supposed to be thinking about Jesus. Jesus, yes, man with beard and long white robes ... must remember to hang out washing ... feeling sleepy... zzz

     
  • At 9:55 am, January 31, 2006, Blogger Tim Lovell said…

    Yeah, I agree, just because something has been used by other religions doesn't mean its off limits per se. I would just want to know its roots, and like Liz said, know the person who's giving it to you (at least a little bit).

    However, as to whether acupuncture works at all or is just a placebo is another question I think. A question I have no idea about.

     
  • At 10:05 pm, February 02, 2006, Blogger Liz said…

    Where are you, Tim? You're not responding to my rugby jibes!

     
  • At 9:59 pm, February 04, 2006, Blogger Kate said…

    Mr lovell, I really don't think it's a placebo, it can have really good outcomes, it just doesn't work for everyone, it's like any medical intervention, not 100% good outcome for every person you use it on!

     
  • At 9:50 am, February 07, 2006, Blogger Liz said…

    I am very impressed, Tim, that you haven't gloated.

     
  • At 10:52 am, February 07, 2006, Blogger Tim Oakes said…

    The quality of my most excellent nation speaks for itself. I can see that the welsh are grieving and I do have some empathy for you.

     
  • At 2:00 pm, February 15, 2006, Blogger Liz said…

    Why aren't you abusing me and mine on my blog, Tim? Is it something I said?

     
  • At 12:40 pm, February 16, 2006, Blogger Liz said…

    Looky, looky, looky, I have a waving flag - no thanks to my technical ineptitude!

     
  • At 6:55 pm, February 17, 2006, Blogger jodes da princess said…

    come on tim, its been nearly a month now, surely theres something new in your brain? even if its just an innovative way of insulting ben

     
  • At 1:50 pm, February 18, 2006, Blogger Tim Oakes said…

    I'm on it Jodie

     
  • At 1:27 pm, February 20, 2006, Blogger Liz said…

    Any exam results yet, Timothy? We're expecting top marks from you after they were so easy.

     
  • At 7:16 pm, February 20, 2006, Blogger Tim Oakes said…

    Get them tomorrow morning - very nervous. Some were easy but a couple were really hard so we'll see.

     
  • At 4:16 pm, February 21, 2006, Blogger Liz said…

    Well?

     

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